Mormon Ranchers at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge are much like the original Mormon pioneers, and this is a subject that I have addressed many time at my vlogcast @ http://youtube.com/slu2com
I think this is a beautiful thing, to show the contrast between the original Mormon groups that came out west, and even showing a close relationship with Joseph Smith’s original group. But this CERTAINLY parallels with how the original LDS settlers responded to government tyranny.
Don’t get me wrong, many early Mormon leaders did great wrongs, to not only the native Americans, but also to other competing (non-Mormon) groups.
But they were also a very strong and proud culture, who didn’t often cower to the power of the federal government.
I have heard reports of groups of members of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter day Saints disowning the actions of these ranchers.
But honestly, if Brigham Young was the prophet of their church, he would inform all of the Sheriff’s to keep the feds out of the territory. Or at the time it would be someone like US Marshall Porter Rockwell – Wikipedia.
Or like Wild Bill Hickman – Wikipedia
But they would protect the people of that territory, against the federal government, if the situation called for it.
But now the CofJCLDS would choose the side not of right and wrong, but of least controversy.
I am no longer Mormon/LDS, but I do support these ranchers, and I am convicted to the fact that the federal government is wrong for interfering, and playing psy-ops on the locals.
Which is why the Fire Chief quit his job recently, witnessing the FBI pose as militia members, and harassing the locals.
Smart people out in Harney county are standing up to the government bullying.
I just waned to point out the similarity between old days Mormons and these ranchers, and there is a lot of braveness and community support that is admirable about these ranchers.
My wife and family and our family friend went out to Florida in 2014, and we stopped by Independence Missouri to check out the RLDS (Reorganized Latter Day Saints or now known as Community of Christ), and they are literally the beginning of Mormonism, as it was started after Joseph Smith died, by his wife and his son Joseph Smith Jr. III, and either 5 or 6 Mormon apostles that were hand picked by Joseph Smith.
But those folks stayed, while Brigham Young’s folks moved in to Native American territory to set up shop in areas with the Paiutes and other tribes were well established. But the original Mormons who stayed behind in Independence Missouri have a real fortitude that I have been curious with my whole life. Despite that I long ago officially left the LDS church and have had my name removed from their records. But I grew up LDS in the Main Stream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I do greatly respect the Mormons that stayed in Missouri, despite having such social and political resistance at the time. This is when governor Boggs had issued an extermination order against the LDS people. So hats off to the bravery of people like the Bundy’s and the other militia at that refuge, and also hats off to the brave early Mormons in Missouri and throughout the east, when it wasn’t easy being LDS.
But now the LDS people take very little risk, and try to stay on the safe side of all political topics.
So despite that I am none Mormon, and I believe the Book of Mormon to be a work of fiction, I do still in fact side with these ranchers.
I have even made videos that I wouldn’t vote for a Mormon presidential candidate. But Ammon Bundy has me rethinking my position.
Regardless of what watch list I am on, this is important to say. The Federal Government has overstepped their boundaries.
They do these scare tactics on people about which “group” or which “enemy” they are a part of. Trying to marginalize them. But the counter propaganda isn’t working.
People don’t believe it this time. This isn’t going to be a Waco, or a Ruby Ridge, where people immediately forget the wrong doings of the government. I just pray that the government think of the people and has compassion, and hopefully evaluate and come to a conclusion on this redress of grievence without violence but with a heavy heart and thoughtfully make changes.
People are already preparing for what the government is about to do. Do you think these ranchers and militia folks thought they (the feds) wouldn’t do something drastic?
I think that militia have to be very optimistic that they can make a difference though. I think they have a strong hope that they would be able to help this situation, without having any violence or problems. I don’t think they would have approached this without being optimistic that they could get through and talk some sense to the government with their redress of grievance that was signed by over 100,000 people across the nation. But of course smart folks like this, have to imagine and prepare for the worst.
Ammon Bundy told the FBI that they are “not there for violence, if it gets violent, its because (the FBI) you guys make it violent, and they we are just here to get a job done.
SO I hope the FBI doesn’t take it to a “Ruby Ridge” level or a “Waco” level. Both of those incidents were avoidable and wrong on the part of the FBI.
But as far as Im concerned, the EPA and BLM do more damage to the land than the natives or the ranchers.
Lets put the people back in charge and see if we can fix this mess
Ryan Thompson (01/23/2016
Redress of Grievance
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NOTICE: Redress of Grievance
We the People – United Individuals of these States United: Coalition of Western States (COWS), Pacific Patriot Network (PPN), Bundy Family and Supporters, Oregon Oath Keepers, Idaho III%, Central Oregon Constitutional Guard, Oregon Tactical, Oregon Bearded Bastards, Liberty Watch Washington, Nevada Committee for Full Statehood, Rural Heritage Preservation Project, Liberty For All (LFA) [continuous names below]
December 11, 2015
NOTICE: Redress of Grievance
Notice to agent is notice to principle; notice to principle is notice to agent
Sheriff David Ward, Commissioner Dan Nichols, Commissioner Pete Runnels, Justice of the Peace Donna Thomas, District Attorney Tim Colahan, Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum, Governor Kate Brown
After extensive research on the Hammond case, We the People of these States United have reason to believe that Dwight and Steven Hammond were not afforded their rights to due process as protected by the United States Constitution.
We have principled evidence that Dwight and Steven Hammond committed no crime in the act of performing the prescribe burn and back fire, that the U.S. Government does not have authority to enforce Territorial law under Article Four within the State of Oregon, and that the County of Harney and State of Oregon failed to protect the Hammond’s rights as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. USC 42.1986, 18.242, 18.121, 42.1983, 42.1985,
We hold compelling evidence that the U.S. Government abused the federal court system, situating the Hammond family into duress as effort to force the Hammond’s to sell their Steen Mountain property to a federal agency.
We have substantial evidence that the U.S. Attorney’s Office exploited an act of Congress, imposing cruel and unusual punishment upon residents of Harney County.
We hold substantial evidence that inside the borders of Harney County the U.S. Government is acting outside the authority enumerated in the Constitution of the United States.
We secure evidence that the U.S. Attorney’s Office independently prepared the indictment against Dwight & Steven Hammond, and that the Grand Jury did not properly assemble or investigate before the indictment. We have no evidence that the Grand Jury participated in the indictment altogether.
We have sure evidence that U.S. Congress does not have authority to legislate minimum sentences, requiring Dwight and Steven Hammond to serve five years in a federal penitentiary.
We hold confirming video evidence of federal agents exhibiting a culture of intimidation toward individuals and businesses within the borders of Harney County. That federal agents, by fire destroy private property, and that the Hammond family are being denied the same protection of the laws that are enjoyed by federal agents.
We have supporting evidence that Judge Hogan controlled the narrative and did not allow full disclosure in the courtroom. We have additional evidence that Dwight and Steven Hammond were sentenced for something different than what they were found guilty of.
We hold sounding evidence that Dwight and Steven Hammond are victims of cruel and unusual punishment, and that the U.S. Justice Department is violating the 8th Amendment.
We hold sure evidence that Dwight and Steven Hammond are being subject for the same offense twice put in jeopardy. Including that the Ninth District Court of Appeals is in violation of the 5th Amendment.
We have obtained appalling evidence that the U.S. Attorney’s Office threatened the Hammond family with early detention and further punishment, if the Hammond family continued to communicate with a certain individual. This evidence foundationally speaks against the U.S. Attorneys Office in their gross effort to infringe upon the Hammond’s right to free exercise of speech. 1st Amendment, USC 18.242
In a commitment to expose the truth and administrate justice, We the People of these States United insist that you immediately assemble an independent Evidential Hearing Board (EHB) comprised of the people of Harney County in accordance with Common Law principals. That the Evidential Hearing Board call witnesses and investigate each of these allegations publicly. That the Evidential Hearing Board make public conclusions in writing upon their findings. That the Harney County Board of Commissioners and the Sheriff’s Department enforce the conclusions of the Evidential Hearing Board in support of the United States Constitution. We further insist that the Hammond family be protected from reporting to federal prison until all allegations can be determined.
We need not remind you of your lawful duty to act on these matters as insisted, nor of the consequences if you knowingly neglected your duty. USC 18.2382, 18.2071, 18.2076, 42.1983, 42.1985, 42.1986
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